start this posting by saying upfront, that I know that many people will not agree with me or the author of this book. However, I feel like it is an issue that the Christian church of today has avoided as well as taken a back seat to even taking any stance on... at least within my adult lifetime. I am motivated to talk about it because I feel like for so long now, no one has been willing to go out on the limb and say honestly... it is because of my selfishness that I have not surrendered all to God.
When I think of how many times I have sang this hymn in my lifetime and how I have earnestly cried "I Surrender All"to the Lord, but then turned around and taken back control... I am sick to my stomach. As many of you know I am pregnant with my fifth child and I am 28 years old. I was married when I was 20 years old and had my first daughter when I was 21 years. Out of the 104 months I have been married, I have been pregnant 43 months and nursing 50 months. There have been only 9 months of my marriage thus far that I have not been pregnant or nursing. I can selfishly say, though I am excited to have another baby, I would like to have my body back. Anybody second that?
About 4 years ago I was leading a book study through "Lies Women Believe" by Nancy Leigh DeMoss (one of my all time favorite books). One of the lies was... "Do we have the right to determine the size of our family?" I had the hardest time with this issue. Though we had always left it up to God and never tried to prevent having children... I knew in the back of my mind there would come a day when I would have to make a choice and say no more or do what you will with me Lord, my body is at your service, I will surrender that part of myself to the further of your kingdom.
I am not going to lie...my pregnancies are not any cake walk. In fact quiet the contrary. I get really bad morning sickness every time. I am not talking about nausea although I have had that as well. I am talking full on vomiting between 4-14 times a day. Some of my pregnancies it has lasted the whole 9 months... even vomiting right after I deliver the baby. This time I had such a hard time with the vomiting I threw my back out... herniated bulging disk. I couldn't lift or bend for 11 weeks. Try taking care of a family of four kids 7 and under and helping your husband with his business... meanwhile still puking! So now that you have the whole gory picture, you could understand how it would be easy for me to say "I AM DONE!"

Still the issue in the back of my mind has been, but what does God ask of me? He has gotten me through it every time and He has made me a stronger woman through it all. Plus my life is not my own, I am bought by the blood of Jesus. Through Him All Things Are Possible! Is it following His will to be "DONE?" After thoroughly investigating different kinds of birth control and IUDs I am fully convinced they are not healthy for women, in addition to the abortions they cause. For example the function of the mini pill is not to suppress ovulation, instead the progestin (which is solely in the mini pill) causes the lining in the womb to become thin and shriveled, so when a "newly conceived baby" tries to implant in the womb, it can not because the endometrium is shriveled up. Now I know that a lot of people debate, when a baby is a baby, but it is pretty clear to me that when the sperm and egg are united, a baby is formed. it is not a dog, a chicken or anything else... it is a beautiful baby. The fact that the baby is created and then prematurely killed means it is aborted. I can not live with that thought.
Without going into detail about why the other methods do not work for me, I will say that the conclusion my husband and I have come to is... vasectomy. We have tried natural family planning by watching ovulation... but I have to say it is pretty difficult when you don't get your period for five and a half years because you keep getting pregnant while nursing. If you are interested in finding out more information on birth control and the harms it causes to your unborn children you can visit Eternal Perspective Ministries. On this website you can download Randy Alcorn's 5th revised addition of "Does the Birth Control Pill Cause Abortions?"
Vasectomy... what a permanent decision! Not only that, but is it sinful? Is it against God's will to take life into our own hands? I am not saying it is sinful... I am just posing the question! What are the health consequences to my husband over the years? Are they going to find out in thirty years that the reason so many men need Viagra is because of the mass amount of men who have had vasectomies? Is that the natural consequence to our sin? What about birth control... is the overwhelming amount of women suffering from endometriousis, ovarian cancer and other reproductive diseases and issues like miscarriages because of the damage that birth control has been doing to our reproductive organs? These are all questions I have wondered about for years which were the main motivation for not using them. Now though I am not ready to say we are done having kids, but also overwhelmed by all these issues.
So I took on "the book." "Be Fruitful and Multiply" by Nancy Campbell. It is a book I had seen at the book store, skimmed through and put back in fear it would tell me that it is not right for me to "take this life creating" into my own hands. Well I finished it last night... I read for 3 hours... couldn't put it down. What wisdom, so much scripture. In fact so much scripture she lists extra verses for you to study on your own. i found myself bugging my husband all night... saying, "Isaac, listen to this..." I have gleaned so much for this woman and I can not recommend this book enough. I think that every women should read it. I think every grandma should read it... obviously not to change her past because that is impossible, but to be a support to the young women of this next generation.
Let me share a few nuggets of this book and my journey, but let me reiterate that I do not have all the answers, nor am I willing to say that to keep having children is God's calling on every ones life. I have recently edited this post because a great, dear friend of mine, whom I respect and love as a sister... has mentioned to me the pain she has in not being able to have more children. I should have mentioned this from the beginning, but there are obviously reasons for not having more children. Such as health issues. I am fully aware that women who have cesareans are limited on the amount of children they can have... generally speaking. Like I mention at the end of this post, and I want to reiterate, as women we are ultimately under our husbands and if they feel that we should not continue having children, then we are under their protection for a reason. I can personally thank God for the blessing I have in my husband and would respect and obey if he felt we were not suppose to continue having children.
These are some of the points I gleaned and was spurred on to think about while reading her book. I hope you can read this post with an open mind knowing my heart is not to offend or judge anyone for their personal choice in this matter. Rather I just want to recommend a book that has greatly challenged me spiritually in a very practical area in my life.
Many people get turned off by the Genesis Charge. They here the name Nancy Campbell or the verse "Be fruitful and Multiply" and think oh, they think it was God's command to have many children. They are that type of Christians... "they are extreme!" But let me tell you it is more than just scripture. It is a matter of the heart for me. I think to myself, I am willing to give God my soul, my life, my marriage, and to raise my kids up in him and in His Word. I claim His word is never changing. He is the same God yesterday, today and forever! How can I say "I surrender all, EXCEPT MY REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS. That I can't give you God, because frankly I don't trust you. I would have 18 kids if I kept going. That is what I am saying! If I take matters into my own hands... the truth of the fact is... the only reasons would be for selfish ones. If it is because it is too hard, I get too sick. Then I am being selfish because the truth is God never gives me more than I can handle, He always provides. I have experienced it time and time again. I can trust Him to take care of me. He loves me.
In the beginning of the Bible God does give His people the charge to be fruitful and multiply. Many people say that well that was just for Adam & Noah, we are over populated now. The earth can not handle more people. The reality is though that we have along way before the earth is "fully subdued" like God told us to do. In addition, the Bible doesn't contradict itself. It is unchanging! If God told them to subdue the earth, we are to do the same. If that wasn't the truth what would be the point of even reading the Old Testament. No, I believe we are to not only read it, but obey it. Learn from our ancestors mistakes and glean from their wisdom. I am disappointed to see though that many of the "larger" families in the old testament were not bore by one woman, but many in a concubine. Not all, but many! I know this is a whole can of worms in and of itself. So I am not going to go there now.
It is a known fact that the enemy is out to "kill, steal, and destroy." Do you think he wants godly parents to have godly offspring that are going to send out mighty warriors for the Lord. No way! He wants us all to believe the lies that our culture feed us. He wants us to give into our selfish desires and wants. He wants us to stop having kids because we want to afford fancy vacations to Disneyland and Hawaii. ( I am not knocking going to either of these places... I have been to both, but not at the cost of having more kids) Satan doesn't want us to send out more missionaries, pastors, evangelists, teachers, godly mothers and fathers. He wants our kind to die, to loose in this spiritual battle. Did you know that Americans are averaging 1.5 kids per family... and that most of those families are ending in divorce... and that out of the ones that are staying married there are even less that are actually enjoying their marriages and fruitfulness. What kind of legacy is that. No! As God's children we have to keep the Legacy alive! We have to bear much fruit! We have to have godly offspring to fight this spiritual battle.
These truths ring clear in my ear as I finished this book.
- To have children is to lay up treasures in Heaven. We can not take anything on earth with us to heaven, but we will see our children when we raise godly offspring. Why not lay up more treasures in heaven.
- To leave a legacy of godly offspring that will last for generations.
- To bear children ensures your name continues... God wants us to pass on our name. That is the job of the son.
- To bear and raise children that will change the destiny of our nation and the salvation of many for Christ. Build the Kingdom of Heaven takes foot soldiers!
"Unless you are a Warrior, You can not train warriors! Unless you understand the battle, how can you have a vision to raise "arrows?"
"As long as we view children as a burden, we will not experience the victory of multi-generational faithfulness."
A few questions of mine she answered and spurred me on to investigate more in depth:
What is the history of birth control in today society? When did it become accepted by the church? Which church? Who was the woman who was the forerunner of this anti-child movement? Margaret Sanger... she had some very sick motivations for eliminating children. Population control! Anyone heard this term before. It is happening in other parts of the world right now. In France the don't even have enough children to replace the elderly. They are dying off! Did you know that America is headed down the same path? My eyes have seen the light. I can not go into detail because there is too much information. You just need to buy the book and your own research.
We are in a battle. We are part of God's army, His warriors. So many people say I don't want to have kids because I don't want to bring them into this evil world, but that is precisely why we should have children. We are adding sharp arrows to the warriors bag.
Convicting questions she asks:
- Why have we assimilated the anti-child philosophy of this world?
- What are our intrinsic motivations for not having more children? Are they selfish at the heart?
- Why do we think that the Genesis Charge doesn't include us?
- Is our world already to over populated?
- What are the consequences behind using birth control?
- What does the Bible say about children, heritage, fighting a spiritual battle for the Lord?
- What does the Bible really say about having children?
In all sincerity though, I pray you are challenged, not discouraged! My intentions with this post are to spur you on to deeper thinking and to recommend a book that I feel could transform our Christian culture all together. Even if you do not agree with her there is huge benefit and spiritual growth in reading the book and studying the scriptures!
this is certainly a challenge, and one that's been on my mind (also after having read DeMoss' book). thanks for your insight.
ReplyDeleteLove the post Angie! I guess it's time for me to read that darn book! You know, how else can we better live by faith than in this area! FOR SURE! Very challenging, yet God is interested in our growth not our comfort. We easily forget the goal of it all. Thank you for being so honest about your struggles with this issue. We struggle together! Love Kristi
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ReplyDeleteI attended the Above Rubies Retreat last month. I want to thank you for this post, because after I left the retreat, I was so turned off by Nancy Campbells ministry (which I have followed for a few years now and have loved). I felt like I was entering into a very legalistic group and that the message about reproduction was one that was based strictly on someones (Nancy) interpretation of scripture.
Let me also say that Ben and I want a large family and have given over control to the Lord in that area, however, I just wasn't sure I agreed with the message of no birth control is the only way. That is a statement straight from my notes that I took at the retreat as well.
I agree that most Christian couples do not seek out God's will for the size of their family. It is sad. I just wonder what exceptions we make for those who don't have a strong marriage, or have had some major stress on there home or family, or a woman that has to work to help pay the bills. Nancy never mentioned any of this stuff in her talk. I was really disappointed. Thank you for showing me that her book doesn't speak these same things. What I do wonder about her book is what scripture she uses to back up what she is preaching? In her talk at her retreat, she used one Old Test verse, that I forgot to write down.
Just wanted to say thank you for this post. I have been praying through a lot of the feelings I had after I left the retreat and feel like I am still a little hesitant to jump on the bandwagon that Nancy Campbell preaches. I do want to listen to the Holy Spirit though and be obedient to God in what He has called me to do. Got me thinking...thanks.
Hi there...I know we haven't talked for several years and a lot of things have happened in all our lives...do miss our very precious times together. I am still involved in Women's Bible Study as that is still one of my passions...to see women move towards God! That besided being globally involved asking God to continue to send out laborers to the fields that are ready for harvest. I have to honestly say (although I have not read the book)...that there are many areas of our lives where I do not believe we totally surrender...but instead apply our "own judgement"..many many areas. I am a little sad, to be honest that this thought of having as many children as God gives you has taken root as something that is being taught...I strongly believe it is a very personal thing and something that is strictly between God...leading and guiding me and my husband. And when my husband before God decided that two children was what he believed God wanted us to have...I submitted to that and praise God for the two great sons he gave me. The fact that he took one home pre-maturely has left me with one son...who I praise Godo for every day. It has also left me with endless opportunities to speak Jesus into many, many women and children around the globe...I do not believe that every women is meant to stay here in Oregon and raise huge families (although I do admire those and applaud those that do)...I strongly believe that God is also calling us to take the Gospel to a world who has never heard...and needs to hear...and for that you might need to be able to move with a slightly smaller family...we cannot isolate ourselves...God wants us to have a global perspecktive. I know I have probably said more than I should...I do agree with the whole wicked birthcontrol scene...so much we do not know...Angie, if you don't want this published as a comment...you are free to reject it...one day I will give this book a chance and read it...now I think my heart is more along the line of thinking Globally...but maybe that is because I am way past childbearing age...but I have been where you guys are...and we faced the same issues...and I do think we all have a long ways to go in regards to "surrender all" ....also there is one more thing...what we model...that is where our kids will go..if it is all centered around us and here...the kids will remain here...if it is centered around a lost and dying world...the kids will gain a global perspecktive...well, these are my 2 cents worth in this dialogue. I welcome input rakel.thurman@gmail.com if you want.....maybe I am totally off..
ReplyDeleteWe do not know each other, I just happened to stumble upon another blog that I have been reading and came to yours. I know that the Lord is trying to speak to me now...just not sure exactly what he is saying. A friend of mine posted on her blog a few days ago about the abortive factors of birth control as well as the fact that they cause blood clots in many women today. I was immediately convicted to stop taking bc pills after discussing it with my husband of course. We decided we would use another form of birth control even if we might get pregnant again. After stumbling upon your blog today...i am sure that the Lord is really wanting to speak to me about something...i am almost in tears because i LOVE when i know he is talking to me!! :) anyway, thank you for your post. My husband and I have said we would only have one more child...mainly for selfish reasons of wanting "stuff" and vacations in the future. I do truly believe we should follow our husbands...I really want him to read your post though. Lately, I have been feeling that the Lord may want me to be a "stay at home" mom. I am not totally sure of that yet but I know the Lord is trying to "grow" me for a specific reason right now. I am sorry...I am just thinking out loud. a/w I very much agree with your post and I wanted to let you know that the Lord definately used you to speak to me! :) Thank you
ReplyDeleteGreat stuff... keep on truckin!
ReplyDeleteAngie.
ReplyDeleteI keep up with the Knifong's through Kristi's blog and she directed her reader's here...
I think what you spoke from your heart was beautiful and Spirit filled... I have struggled and have been perplexed by this same dilemma. Family Planning vs Being Fruitful
May I hand down some wisdom? I encourage you to keep praying and be on your guard...Don't rush into any decision... make time to pray and give your husband time to think about what God would have for your family... Pray and think twice about a vasectomy. It IS permanent in most cases. And, my husband and I grieve very deeply that we choose to make such a rash decision. It was made out of a selfish desire and fear on my part. I had a very frightening pregnancy, as you remember... you helped pray me through it... and I was NOT going to let that happen again! I was a very sinfilled wife. I insisted that my husband do his part... and, against his better judgment... he went through with it...to avoid World War III in his marriage. (Sounds like Adam and Eve all over again!) This is very ugly to admit...Lovingly, God showed me the error of my ways...not in the family planning department so much as the trusting and being a submissive wife ...
God's grace is ever sufficient... but we always feel an emptiness of not having fully trusted...
Surrendering all is the goal! I find it interesting how God calls us at different points in our life to see Truth... and when our hearts are hard, and we fail...He still lifts us up and leads us along... and loves us through it all.
"...He who began a good work in you will carry it to completion until the Day of Christ Jesus." Philippians 1:6
In the end, it is not about us so much as it is about Him... Him bringing Himself Glory through all our life and circumstances...through our surrendering bit by bit... we become more of Him and LESS of us.
Love and Blessings to you and your beautiful family.
Dyana Coose
coosewoman@hotmail.com
Hi Angie,
ReplyDeleteI just found your blog from Brandy. I remember hearing you speak at WBS several years ago with Rakel. Thank you for the excellent post. I too have struggled with the figuring out the timing of ovulation - b/c I've been nursing or pregnant for 5 plus years. I've been struggling with what we should do to prevent getting pregnant again, my conscience says birth control is not for us. But now your post has prompted the even bigger question that I think has been floating around in the back of my head. Why NOT have more children? What are my true motives? Thank you for sharing. I will continue to pray and posibly pick up that book. I SO WANT my children to shine out like stars in this crooked and depraved generation. And you're right that is exactly what this sin-sick world needs.
Blessings.
Angie, thank you for your honesty in such a beautiful entry. I think the glory of the Cross is forgotten in marriage today, and the power of redemptive suffering. Not only does new life change one's destiny and glorify God, but the suffering you willingly endure as a wife and mother, joined with Jesus' suffering on the Cross, can be a very powerful prayer and witness in world that is morally numb and half-asleep, always seeking to escape suffering. If you need to space your births without the barrier of contraceptives, you should look into Natural Family Planning. God bless you!
ReplyDeleteI encourage you to tread carefully on this sensitive topic. It spurred my thinking based on my own experience. I wrote about it under the post "The Silent Majority". I encourage you to read it when you have a moment.
ReplyDeleteBlessings, Kristi
Homeschooling in the Garden of Life
kristikronzblog.blogspot.com
Angie,
ReplyDeleteIt's really challenging to truly honor God in every area of our lives.
This post is an example of the challenge. I like it because it's real. It's what we have been really wrestling with for years and then I look at our kids and say. "How could we not have this one or that one" as hard as it is at times there is so much blessing in filling our quiver. I can't wait to meet our new boy in 8 weeks.
It's amazing how taking on God's challenge in this area and submitting has grown you and I. I only wanted 2 kids when we got married. It has forced me as a man to step up, to increase provisions, to take my leadership role more seriously in the home and in business.
It's the areas we don't feel capable that are the most important to push forward with faith. If we don't do things that call for increased faith we aren't growing with Christ in the same way we could.
It took faith to put this out there and I'm proud of you!!!
Hi Angie, do you remember me? I worked for Isaac a LONG time ago at the cutco office in Clackamas. Back then you guys just had your first baby girl! Anyways, I found your blog through Brandy and wanted to say hi! I really appreciate this post and how open you are to share what God is teaching you and how he is challenging you and your husband and family. I agree that we need to surrender ALL, and I too hold on to so many things. Thanks for sharing and I look forward to checking back here often!!
ReplyDeleteI loved seeing your heart in this issue. The heart really is the issue, isn't it?! Either we are fully surrendered to His plan for our lives - whatever that may be - or we walk in our own way.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for this post. My husband and I are in the midst of praying and seeking His heart for our family. Like you, I am 28 but with four little ones. :)